Bad Beats / Good Beats

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Tuesday, February 13th 2007, 6:10pm

Im selben Turnier:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t1390)
plexiq (t1945)
UTG (t1295)
UTG+1 (t1815)
MP1 (t2515)
MP2 (t415)
MP3 (t1605)
CO (t2245)
Button (t2235)

Preflop: plexiq is BB with 6

, 9

.
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, 1 fold, Button calls t30, SB completes, plexiq checks.

Flop: (t210) 7

, 8

, 5

(7 players)
SB checks, plexiq checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t90, MP2 calls t90, MP3 folds, Button calls t90, SB folds, plexiq raises to t600, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t510, MP2 calls t295 (All-In), Button folds.

Turn: (t1885) 7

(3 players, 1 all-in)
plexiq bets t1315 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t1185 (All-In).

River: (t4385) 4

(3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: t4385

Results in white below:
plexiq has 6h 9c (straight, nine high).
UTG+1 has 5d 5h (full house, fives full of sevens).
MP2 has 6d Ac (straight, eight high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t4255. plexiq wins t130.

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plexiq

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Tuesday, February 13th 2007, 6:12pm

Nach der ersten Hand warn noch 130 Chips übrig, spiel mich damit mühsam wieder auf 2k rauf, dann diese Hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t1485)
plexiq (t2215)
CO (t5030)
Button (t5670)
SB (t2900)
BB (t1605) (Read: Loose Preflop)
UTG (t4035)

Preflop: plexiq is MP2 with A

, J

.
2 folds, plexiq raises to t600, 3 folds, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t1300) 4

, 2

, 6

(2 players)
BB checks, plexiq checks.

Turn: (t1300) A

(2 players)
BB bets t400, plexiq raises to t1615, BB calls t605 (All-In).

River: (t3920) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3920

Results in white below:
BB has Qs Jd (flush, ace high).
plexiq has Ah Jc (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t3310. plexiq wins t610.

Gegner haben eh halbwegs vernünftig gespielt, das Resultat gefällt trotzdem net sonderlich

This post has been edited 4 times, last edit by "plexiq" (Feb 13th 2007, 6:19pm)

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CF_Faithhealer

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Tuesday, February 13th 2007, 6:42pm

ka,hätte ich nie nen raise gepsielt...läufst ja voll rein.klarer fold aufm turn imo...dafür aber ,wenn du mit willst,nachm flop ein raise...dann gucken was er macht..reraise = fold wenn call dann halt aufm turn weg nachm A

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plexiq

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Tuesday, February 13th 2007, 7:21pm

Wo lauf ich rein, er hatte zu dem Zeitpunkt ja nix?

Hätt ich seine Hole-Cards schon am Turn gekannt, hätt ich genau gleich gespielt.

Sollt vielleicht dazuschreiben, dass er Draws davor aggressiv gespielt hat. (Was er dann am Turn ja wieder macht,..) War mir ziemlich sicher dass er nach dem Flop-Check keine 2 Spades auf der Hand hat.

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CF_Faithhealer

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 8:54am

ka...ich hab mir angewöhnt flush draws zu glauben auf den "kleinen" limits.ich geh halt immer vom worst case aus

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royd

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 9:22am

...ich nicht... gestern zweimal mit nuts in ein fullhouse gelaufen

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El_Cheapito

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 12:26pm

Quoted

Original von CF_Faithhealer
ich geh halt immer vom worst case aus

Der gute Herr Sklansky würde dir was erzählen...

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Tsu_G_

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 2:15pm

bitter

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($4.84)
MP1 ($2.92)
MP2 ($5.05)
CO ($4.40)
Button ($4.68)
Hero ($4.60)
BB ($2.93)
UTG ($3.94)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, Q

. Hero posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG calls $0.04, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.2, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.18, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.16.

Flop: ($0.64) Q

, 9

, T

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.5, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG calls $1, MP2 calls $1.

Turn: ($5.14) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.90 (All-In), UTG bets $2.24 (All-In)

River: ($10.28) 9

(3 players)

Final Pot: $10.28

Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Qd (full house, queens full of nines).
UTG has 9s 9c (four of a kind, nines).
MP2 doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins $9.17, Hero wins $0.66

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Tsu_G_" (Feb 14th 2007, 2:25pm)

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Tsu_G_

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 2:24pm

blah

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Tsu_NilPferD

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 2:36pm

Seat 1: toub1 ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 2: SlyFox63 ($50.45 in chips)
Seat 3: hop12 ($29 in chips)
Seat 4: NilPferD ($52.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Bousliki ($59.98 in chips)
Seat 6: lalalalal ($4.95 in chips)
Bousliki: posts small blind $0.25
lalalalal: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to NilPferD [4d 3d]
toub1: folds
SlyFox63: folds
hop12: folds
NilPferD: raises to $1.50
Bousliki: folds
lalalalal: raises to $4.95 and is all-in
NilPferD: calls $3.45
----- FLOP ----- [Kh 6s 9s]
----- TURN ----- [Kh 6s 9s][2d]
----- RIVER ----- [Kh 6s 9s 2d][5c]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
lalalalal: shows [Qc Qh] (A Pair of Queens, King high)
NilPferD: shows [4d 3d] (A Straight, Six high)
NilPferD collected $9.65 from Main pot

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royd

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 2:56pm

die hand von tsug ist doch streng genommen gar kein bad beat oder?

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Tsu_G_

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 3:10pm

er hatte nur 1 Out um noch zu gewinnen und das kommt auf dem river, also für mich ist das schon bad beat.

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wu_trax

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 3:39pm

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $109.49
Hero: $55.55
Button: $14.95
SB: $64.28
BB: $103.67

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with :kh :as
UTG folds, Hero raises to $2, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: :6d :ks :5d ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, Button calls.

Turn: :kc ($9.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises all-in $10.45, Hero calls.

River: :jd ($30.65, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $30.65)

Results:
Final pot: $30.65
Button shows Kd Jc
Hero shows Kh As

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $76
CO: $81.31
Button: $58.05
SB: $15.01
BB: $31.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with :qc :qh
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero raises to $17, SB raises all-in $15.01, Hero calls.

Flop: :ks :2c :8d ($30.52, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $30.52)

Turn: :ts ($30.52, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $30.52)

River: :jh ($30.52, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $30.52)

Results:
Final pot: $30.52
SB shows Js Jc
Hero shows Qc Qh

Nichts besonderes, aber wenns x mal in Folge passiert machts keinen Spaß

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royd

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 9:47pm

O.M.G.
bin von 70 auf 25 runter... straight vs straight, flush vs vierling, drilling + TK vs fullhouse

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Funkiwi

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 10:23pm

ans brm halten!
mache dir noch einmal die grundkonzepte von longtermin winning poker klar!

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royd

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Wednesday, February 14th 2007, 10:42pm

Quoted

Original von AoD|Funkiwi
ans brm halten!
mache dir noch einmal die grundkonzepte von longtermin winning poker klar!

ich habe kaum ein wort verstanden?

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ZwerGOrca

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 12:33am

Was er damit sagen will ist, dass man um gut zu Pokern nicht nur gut spielen muss. Das Verständnis von der Varianz deiner Ergebnisse ist elementar wichtig. Du musst dir einfach klarmachen, dass du kurzfristig sehr oft verlieren kannst auch wenn du optimal spielen würdest.
Daraus folgt das man sehr hohe Rücklagen haben muss um nicht sein ganzes Geld zu verlieren wenn so eine extreme Phase von Bad Beats kommt.
Deswegen ist es wichtig nur auf solchen Limits zu spielen für die man das entsprechende Geld hat, wenn du in kurzer Zeit 2/3 deines Geldes verloren hast ist das eindeutig ein Indiz das du auf viel zu hohen Limits spielst.

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Haunted

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 1:14am

oder dich einfach nicht mit deepstack dahin setzen solltest ^^

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royd

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 10:27am

ich spiele NL10 und habe die letzten tage konstant gewinn gemacht, bis gestern...
sollte ich jetzt ein limit runter oder wie?

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wu_trax

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 10:42am

2.5 Buy-ins wär selbst mir etwas wenig

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royd

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 10:47am

mir kommt NL5 so verdammt chaotisch vor... na toll :S

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ZwerGOrca

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 12:09pm

http://www.pokerstrategy.org.uk/de/strategy/159

Wenn du Big Stack Strategy spielst wovon ich mal ausgehe solltest du also NL $0.02/$0.04 spielen bis du 150$ hast.

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SenF_No_Milk

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 6:26pm

alter martin das ist ja wohl mal ein richtiger bad beat. ich habe noch nie mit einem nut full house gegen ein vierling verloren.sei froh das du nicht soviel verloren hast

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Tsu_G_

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Thursday, February 15th 2007, 6:40pm

Jo, hab gelacht als die Riverkarte kam und mich dann gewundert warum das Geld zu ihm rüber wandert. Hab dann mal genauer hingeschaut und da wars dann einfach nur: wtf

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SWF_n4p

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Sunday, February 18th 2007, 12:50am

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($27.05)
BB ($25)
Hero ($20.30)
MP ($52.17)
CO ($22)
Button ($27.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

, 7

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB (poster) calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.75) 7

, A

, 8

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks, SB bets $2.75, BB folds, Hero raises to $5.5, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises to $10.25, SB calls $9.30.

Turn: ($28.80) A

(2 players)

River: ($28.80) 3

(2 players)

Final Pot: $28.80
bad beat isses ja nicht, aber pech (Ich hatte 77, er 88)

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Tsu_NilPferD

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Sunday, February 18th 2007, 12:59am

set over set in einem von hundert fällen => passiert, kann man nix gegen machen

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SWF_n4p

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Sunday, February 18th 2007, 1:01am

Jo, und grad nachher mit K high flush vs. A high (beide holecards verwendet) - ächz^^ Aber wir lassen unds nicht runterkriegen, nein! Und sammeln fleissig Daten mit PT!

-Mano

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Funkiwi

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Sunday, February 18th 2007, 12:28pm

nap spiel wenn du nl25 spielst unbedingt mit fullstack. wenn du nur 20 statt 25$ am tisch hast, machste bei nem all in nur 80% von deinem gewinn, und das ist schon wirklich sehr krass. so am rande. set under set ist halt fast immer der stack weg, kannste nix machen

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SWF_n4p

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Sunday, February 18th 2007, 1:02pm

Ja, ich rebuye eigentlich immer, da habe ich es vergessen (rebuye sobald ich unter 23$ bin)

-Mano

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_Nightmare_

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Sunday, February 18th 2007, 3:56pm

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2.48
UTG+1: $2.08
UTG+2: $4.98
MP1: $2.96
MP2: $3.01
Hero: $5.42
CO: $4.66
Button: $1.58
SB: $4.08
BB: $2

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with As Ac
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.16, Hero raises to $0.32, 5 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: 6s Kd Ad ($0.74, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.1, MP2 raises to $0.2, Hero raises to $0.3, MP2 raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1, MP2 calls.

Turn: 7h ($2.74, 2 players)
MP2 is all-in $1.69, Hero calls.

River: Kc ($6.12, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $6.12)

Results:
Final pot: $6.12
MP2 shows Ks Kh
Hero shows As Ac

ich hab ihn auf AK oder KK gesetzt , aber das da am river wirklich noch der König kommt

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